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| Nikhil Chaturvedi |
This Q&A first appeared in DNA Money edition on Monday, January 14, 2013.
Having built shopping malls in Tier II cities, Prozone Capital Shopping Centres Ltd, is now looking at bringing about a shift in the way real estate is sold in these markets with its affordable luxury housing projects. Prozone, which has already invested close to Rs 1,000 crore in the realty business, is targeting Rs 300 crore in annual sales across its three ongoing developments. Nikhil Chaturvedi, managing director, Prozone, speaks about how the company is adopting novel strategies and the way ahead. Edited excerpts...
Developing retail shopping spaces being the core business, what motivated the company to make a residential development foray?
Our joint venture with Capital Shopping Centres (CSC) in this business follows a very interesting business model in the international markets they operate in. They'd generally acquire four times the land parcel required to develop a shopping mall. First they'd develop the mall thereby making the surrounding land parcel invaluable, which would then be exploited through residential, commercial and related developments. The basic idea behind this approach to create long-term, debt-free assets (malls) that are core to the business through short-term disposable assets like residential and commercial developments. We realised the business model made so much sense especially in the Indian market where cost of debt is so high, hence the foray.
So you decided to outright replicate the model in India?
A slight tweaking to the model had to be done as CSC's overseas developments were at the edge of the city while the Indian projects had to be located right in the city centre. We also decided to simultaneously develop the residential catchments when doing malls. Considering the amount of demand for housing in the market we realised it was very much doable. We also adapted a few interesting learnings from our JV partner's overseas residential developments.
And what were these learnings like?
First we went to UK to see how were they doing the residential developments and realised the approach there wasn't relevant to India. In UK they did ground plus one housing projects which was just not viable here given the scarcity and high land costs. CSC also has investments in China so we visited the sites there. We found interesting similarities to residential developments prominent one being going vertical. They'd also make a huge boundary walls, large doors and when you entered the site there was a sales and marketing office and show flats very much like what we do here in India. There was one differentiator though, a little inside the site, they had a very beautiful fully operational club house with the best of facilities and amenities. We were intrigued, the buildings were yet to be constructed so why build the club house so much in advance.
That's interesting. You mean to say the last component in a large scale residential development was the first one to be built.
Exactly. They said, every customer visits the site once in 10 weeks. If I have a thousand customers, there would be 100 customers lining up in the site every week leading to a chaotic situation. And because the competition allowed such visits they couldn't say no to the customers and every one would come back with differential levels of experience and concerns while it was still work in progress at the site. The only way to give them a powerful message was to show them an operational club house and tell the customers that site visits can be done only on a specific day of the week citing hazardous (health and safety) conditions.
What also came out of this approach is that a realistic asset was created that gave customers a realisation of the kind of environment they would be living in for the rest of their lives. The club house thus became the anchor of their development as a result sales increased 1.5 times the competition and prices started shooting north at sites they had limited inventory to offer.
It made so much sense to adapt the strategy in India. If you compare any residential development with or without visible infrastructure, the former would always register increased traction and faster price growth. And that's the approach we are taking with our residential developments in India.
But your projects are largely located in the Tier II Indian cities. Has the approach helped?
It has certainly made a paradigm shift in the way real estate is being sold in Tier II markets. There are a few challenges to this approach though. The most important being that the developer will have to be courageous enough to invest in building a state-of-the-art, fully functional club house at the start of the project, followed by the patience level for business to start kicking in. Financial soundness is very crucial for the success of this strategy.
Prozone is among the select few realty players to operate at almost negligible debt as our net debt is just Rs 10 crore. Lastly, we decided to create the visible infrastructure on the ground level as against podium level which was very time consuming. Since all this could be done with larger developments we chose to do 20 to 30 acre residential projects where 6-7 acres can easily be carved out for gardens (with 30 feet trees relocated to the site from a distance place), clubs and other leisurely facilities. A lot of care is also taken to ensure safe vehicular movements inside the development akin to what one sees with developments in Singapore. The residential developments would come up at the edge of the site which is the case with our first project in Indore Prozone Palms which is spread across 40 acres.
Selling luxury housing must be very challenging in the Tier II markets. What has been your experience?
We showcase the efforts being taken to create the luxuries through various communication initiatives including owner's manual that spell out every thing clearly thereby bring in a sense of ownership to the customers. Luxury positioning in our case is not the Italian marble and premium designer elements but the thought and attention to details being put make the product. It's about luxury tailored to the buyers lifestyle with things like sundeck and walk-in wardrobes, privacy, high railings, state-of-the-art safety and security including swipe cards for all the residents, professional facility management to name a few.
I am selling to the middle-class Indian household and make it at the rate that affordable to them. Our housing unit prices are in the Rs 2,800 to Rs 3,500 per square feet (psf) range and very much comparable to what is available in that area. The only difference in our case is that we have created economies of scale (with the number of units ranging from 1,200 to 1,500) and efficient spaces within the developments to give them a luxury feel through efficient planning and optimum utilisation of space.
Could you share some details the target audience buying into your developments. Do you also get a lot of investors wanting to make a quick buck?
Besides the middle-class households that form 70% of our customer base take the home loan approach, we have seen a lot of trader community buying into our developments. These are businessmen who prefer internal accruals and in some cases equity raised from relatives, friends and families to buy residential apartments. That is also one big reason why we stick to a 24 month delivery time as it gives these set of buyers enough time to arrange funding. There could be investors in our developments but we have devised a way to discourage them -- a two year lock-in period.
On an average how many housing units are you targeting to deliver annually?
While we have developments planned in six markets spread across 17.9 million square feet, only three i.e. Indore (40 acre), Coimbatore (26 acre) and Nagpur (41 acre) are active while developments in Aurangabad, Mysore and Jaipur is yet to start. Coimbatore and Nagpur will also have malls. All the developments will be completed in two phases at least and we are targeting at handing over 250 housing units every year. Our first mall is already operational in Aurangabad and we are currently developing commercial offices with 2 lakh square feet sold already. We have just started sales of Saral Bazaar -- kind of a flea market concept for that location -- basically shops for local people on a ownership basis as they are very averse to coming on rent but are ready to buy at premium.
Having built shopping malls in Tier II cities, Prozone Capital Shopping Centres Ltd, is now looking at bringing about a shift in the way real estate is sold in these markets with its affordable luxury housing projects. Prozone, which has already invested close to Rs 1,000 crore in the realty business, is targeting Rs 300 crore in annual sales across its three ongoing developments. Nikhil Chaturvedi, managing director, Prozone, speaks about how the company is adopting novel strategies and the way ahead. Edited excerpts...
Developing retail shopping spaces being the core business, what motivated the company to make a residential development foray?
Our joint venture with Capital Shopping Centres (CSC) in this business follows a very interesting business model in the international markets they operate in. They'd generally acquire four times the land parcel required to develop a shopping mall. First they'd develop the mall thereby making the surrounding land parcel invaluable, which would then be exploited through residential, commercial and related developments. The basic idea behind this approach to create long-term, debt-free assets (malls) that are core to the business through short-term disposable assets like residential and commercial developments. We realised the business model made so much sense especially in the Indian market where cost of debt is so high, hence the foray.
So you decided to outright replicate the model in India?
A slight tweaking to the model had to be done as CSC's overseas developments were at the edge of the city while the Indian projects had to be located right in the city centre. We also decided to simultaneously develop the residential catchments when doing malls. Considering the amount of demand for housing in the market we realised it was very much doable. We also adapted a few interesting learnings from our JV partner's overseas residential developments.
And what were these learnings like?
First we went to UK to see how were they doing the residential developments and realised the approach there wasn't relevant to India. In UK they did ground plus one housing projects which was just not viable here given the scarcity and high land costs. CSC also has investments in China so we visited the sites there. We found interesting similarities to residential developments prominent one being going vertical. They'd also make a huge boundary walls, large doors and when you entered the site there was a sales and marketing office and show flats very much like what we do here in India. There was one differentiator though, a little inside the site, they had a very beautiful fully operational club house with the best of facilities and amenities. We were intrigued, the buildings were yet to be constructed so why build the club house so much in advance.
That's interesting. You mean to say the last component in a large scale residential development was the first one to be built.
Exactly. They said, every customer visits the site once in 10 weeks. If I have a thousand customers, there would be 100 customers lining up in the site every week leading to a chaotic situation. And because the competition allowed such visits they couldn't say no to the customers and every one would come back with differential levels of experience and concerns while it was still work in progress at the site. The only way to give them a powerful message was to show them an operational club house and tell the customers that site visits can be done only on a specific day of the week citing hazardous (health and safety) conditions.
What also came out of this approach is that a realistic asset was created that gave customers a realisation of the kind of environment they would be living in for the rest of their lives. The club house thus became the anchor of their development as a result sales increased 1.5 times the competition and prices started shooting north at sites they had limited inventory to offer.
It made so much sense to adapt the strategy in India. If you compare any residential development with or without visible infrastructure, the former would always register increased traction and faster price growth. And that's the approach we are taking with our residential developments in India.
But your projects are largely located in the Tier II Indian cities. Has the approach helped?
It has certainly made a paradigm shift in the way real estate is being sold in Tier II markets. There are a few challenges to this approach though. The most important being that the developer will have to be courageous enough to invest in building a state-of-the-art, fully functional club house at the start of the project, followed by the patience level for business to start kicking in. Financial soundness is very crucial for the success of this strategy.
Prozone is among the select few realty players to operate at almost negligible debt as our net debt is just Rs 10 crore. Lastly, we decided to create the visible infrastructure on the ground level as against podium level which was very time consuming. Since all this could be done with larger developments we chose to do 20 to 30 acre residential projects where 6-7 acres can easily be carved out for gardens (with 30 feet trees relocated to the site from a distance place), clubs and other leisurely facilities. A lot of care is also taken to ensure safe vehicular movements inside the development akin to what one sees with developments in Singapore. The residential developments would come up at the edge of the site which is the case with our first project in Indore Prozone Palms which is spread across 40 acres.
Selling luxury housing must be very challenging in the Tier II markets. What has been your experience?
We showcase the efforts being taken to create the luxuries through various communication initiatives including owner's manual that spell out every thing clearly thereby bring in a sense of ownership to the customers. Luxury positioning in our case is not the Italian marble and premium designer elements but the thought and attention to details being put make the product. It's about luxury tailored to the buyers lifestyle with things like sundeck and walk-in wardrobes, privacy, high railings, state-of-the-art safety and security including swipe cards for all the residents, professional facility management to name a few.
I am selling to the middle-class Indian household and make it at the rate that affordable to them. Our housing unit prices are in the Rs 2,800 to Rs 3,500 per square feet (psf) range and very much comparable to what is available in that area. The only difference in our case is that we have created economies of scale (with the number of units ranging from 1,200 to 1,500) and efficient spaces within the developments to give them a luxury feel through efficient planning and optimum utilisation of space.
Could you share some details the target audience buying into your developments. Do you also get a lot of investors wanting to make a quick buck?
Besides the middle-class households that form 70% of our customer base take the home loan approach, we have seen a lot of trader community buying into our developments. These are businessmen who prefer internal accruals and in some cases equity raised from relatives, friends and families to buy residential apartments. That is also one big reason why we stick to a 24 month delivery time as it gives these set of buyers enough time to arrange funding. There could be investors in our developments but we have devised a way to discourage them -- a two year lock-in period.
On an average how many housing units are you targeting to deliver annually?
While we have developments planned in six markets spread across 17.9 million square feet, only three i.e. Indore (40 acre), Coimbatore (26 acre) and Nagpur (41 acre) are active while developments in Aurangabad, Mysore and Jaipur is yet to start. Coimbatore and Nagpur will also have malls. All the developments will be completed in two phases at least and we are targeting at handing over 250 housing units every year. Our first mall is already operational in Aurangabad and we are currently developing commercial offices with 2 lakh square feet sold already. We have just started sales of Saral Bazaar -- kind of a flea market concept for that location -- basically shops for local people on a ownership basis as they are very averse to coming on rent but are ready to buy at premium.
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